Tuesday, January 18, 2005

Re: Politics/humanitarianism in the tsunami relief effort


I myself have no problems as long as people help even if its for their own
selfish motivation, as we often do, when we send checques, hoping to get
that 80GG or whatever tax reduction/rebate, to help others get back on their
feet-if we were saints then man we wouldnt probably be even thinking of such
things, we would probably be sitting peacefully in the himalayas, at peace
with ourselves and the world around be dammed (pardon if this is read as a
bad word-its meant exactly what is meant) . however, with regard to the RSS
or any other religio-politicla party, the good work often has an ulterior
motive. A friend of mine (herself being a Hindu from this pround land of
Maharashtra) who had gone to volunteer during the Bhuj earthquake came back
disgusted-reason being that these very same "good hearted "individuals were
building homes for the homeless-were doing it based on caste lines! So only
the upper caste families were getting their homes redone whereas the lower
caste and the "minority" community were sidelined! So hence one wonders
about such selfless acts and is wary of such organizations going in. Once
upon a time in the distant past the RSS were a very disciplined and
Nationalistic goup which had done selfless service-but like most
organizations these days, have gone downhill and become very parochial, if i
can use that word.

Yes of course since i have been born on the wrong side of the religious
divide can't do anything abt it nor do i want to as all religious have their
good and bad side and i can stand here and call the POPE a stupid foolish
man who has no empathy or any divine justice within himself- many would love
to tear me apart-however, in the end we are but flesh, bones and blood.

>From: Amit Phansalkar
>Reply-To: India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
>To: India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Politics/humanitarianism in the tsunami relief effort
>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:23:53 +0000
>
>
>Welcome SSM. You deserve a cookie for this :D. Next time you come to
>pune, u'll get a Kayani cookie Jar, in fact.
>
>Onto a serious note, i read the blog from India Uncut (and I swear, I
>didn't get the title of this list from here! I got it from Gurcharan
>Das's book India Unbound, which I think should have been India
>Unleashed, but that's a topic of another posting), and here are my
>thoughts:
>
> > To those who are worried that DYFI or the RSS might extract political
>gain from their work, I have only one thing to say: if you oppose them in
>the political arena, nothing stops you from going out to the villages
>yourself and working as hard as they do to neutralise the goodwill that you
>are so scared they're getting. That kind of competition, in doing good,
>would surely be healthy. But complaining about people who are saving lives
>and helping survivors rebuild lives is just plain wrong.
>
>Exactly! I think the problem today is politics at the national level
>is so far ditached from the grass-route work, as it is. I wouldn't
>want the scenario turned into a dilemma for quassi-political setups --
>damned if I do, dammed if I don't. Expecting a selfless service is
>pretty much utopian -- and counterproductive. Yes, one can question
>motives, and brand the work as "political" in nature, but of course
>they deserve the political gains out of it! It's lot better than they
>getting their political capital through meaningless rhetoric (and I'm
>nost just talking about RSS).
>
>And SSM, lol@the-flame-shield. I say, we need more flames here...
>
>-Amit.
>
>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:33:48 -0800, SSM wrote:
> >
> >
> > Interesting couple of articles ...
> >
> > one from today's edition of Christian Science Monitor talking about
> > JVP, the Sri Lankan marxist group in the forefront of relief efforts in
> > that country (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0114/p01s03-wosc.html)
> >
> > and then, an older yet interesting post in Amit Varma's India Uncut
> > blog, on separating politics from social work
> >
>(http://indiauncut-tsunami.blogspot.com/2005/01/despatches-26-separating-politics-from.html)
> >
> > On one level, it seems cynical to leverage a tragedy to maximize the
> > "eye-balls" those organizations might want for themselves. And perhaps
> > even more cynical to connect the dots thus.
> >
> > But, on the other hand, I tend to agree with Amit Varma. If, at the end
> > of the day, these organizations are helping to plug the holes that
> > inevitably exist in govt-led relief efforts in 3rd world countries,
> > bully for them. And if they do get those "eye-balls" as a result of
> > their hard work, so be it - they fully deserve it.
> >
> > Flame-shield-on (my first post here), but I have a feeling the
> > flame-shield is totally unnecessary in a community like this one :)
> >
> >
>
>
>--
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Monday, January 17, 2005

Re: Politics/humanitarianism in the tsunami relief effort


Welcome SSM. You deserve a cookie for this :D. Next time you come to
pune, u'll get a Kayani cookie Jar, in fact.

Onto a serious note, i read the blog from India Uncut (and I swear, I
didn't get the title of this list from here! I got it from Gurcharan
Das's book India Unbound, which I think should have been India
Unleashed, but that's a topic of another posting), and here are my
thoughts:

> To those who are worried that DYFI or the RSS might extract political gain from their work, I have only one thing to say: if you oppose them in the political arena, nothing stops you from going out to the villages yourself and working as hard as they do to neutralise the goodwill that you are so scared they're getting. That kind of competition, in doing good, would surely be healthy. But complaining about people who are saving lives and helping survivors rebuild lives is just plain wrong.

Exactly! I think the problem today is politics at the national level
is so far ditached from the grass-route work, as it is. I wouldn't
want the scenario turned into a dilemma for quassi-political setups --
damned if I do, dammed if I don't. Expecting a selfless service is
pretty much utopian -- and counterproductive. Yes, one can question
motives, and brand the work as "political" in nature, but of course
they deserve the political gains out of it! It's lot better than they
getting their political capital through meaningless rhetoric (and I'm
nost just talking about RSS).

And SSM, lol@the-flame-shield. I say, we need more flames here...

-Amit.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:33:48 -0800, SSM wrote:
>
>
> Interesting couple of articles ...
>
> one from today's edition of Christian Science Monitor talking about
> JVP, the Sri Lankan marxist group in the forefront of relief efforts in
> that country (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0114/p01s03-wosc.html)
>
> and then, an older yet interesting post in Amit Varma's India Uncut
> blog, on separating politics from social work
> (http://indiauncut-tsunami.blogspot.com/2005/01/despatches-26-separating-politics-from.html)
>
> On one level, it seems cynical to leverage a tragedy to maximize the
> "eye-balls" those organizations might want for themselves. And perhaps
> even more cynical to connect the dots thus.
>
> But, on the other hand, I tend to agree with Amit Varma. If, at the end
> of the day, these organizations are helping to plug the holes that
> inevitably exist in govt-led relief efforts in 3rd world countries,
> bully for them. And if they do get those "eye-balls" as a result of
> their hard work, so be it - they fully deserve it.
>
> Flame-shield-on (my first post here), but I have a feeling the
> flame-shield is totally unnecessary in a community like this one :)
>
>


--
Insanity is a sane reaction to an insane world.

Politics/humanitarianism in the tsunami relief effort



Interesting couple of articles ...

one from today's edition of Christian Science Monitor talking about
JVP, the Sri Lankan marxist group in the forefront of relief efforts in
that country (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0114/p01s03-wosc.html)

and then, an older yet interesting post in Amit Varma's India Uncut
blog, on separating politics from social work
(http://indiauncut-tsunami.blogspot.com/2005/01/despatches-26-separating-politics-from.html)

On one level, it seems cynical to leverage a tragedy to maximize the
"eye-balls" those organizations might want for themselves. And perhaps
even more cynical to connect the dots thus.

But, on the other hand, I tend to agree with Amit Varma. If, at the end
of the day, these organizations are helping to plug the holes that
inevitably exist in govt-led relief efforts in 3rd world countries,
bully for them. And if they do get those "eye-balls" as a result of
their hard work, so be it - they fully deserve it.

Flame-shield-on (my first post here), but I have a feeling the
flame-shield is totally unnecessary in a community like this one :)

Being Indian is more important than being in India!


Hi Guys,
I know NRI's get a rap for India's woes.I heard the above line in a
chat program('Arratai Arangam') in Sun TV held in Abhudabhi where one
of the participants said it. It was succint and very impressive.Thought
i would share it with everyone in this group.

Sunday, January 16, 2005

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Saturday, January 15, 2005

Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest


have you guys seen 'agantuk'? i think it was the last feature film he
made. it features another great actor in utpal dutt.


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:21:32 +0000, India-Unleashed group
wrote:
>
> India Unleashed
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> India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
>
> Today's topics:
>
> * 1 new message in 1 topic - digest - 1 messages, 1 author
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/4c6d64a145b7c536
>
> ==============================================================================
> TOPIC: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/4c6d64a145b7c536
> ==============================================================================
>
> == 1 of 1 ==
> Date: Thurs, Jan 13 2005 9:51 pm
> From: Mahendra Palsule
>
> Yes, he did say that. Specifically, he mentioned that even if he were
> given a chance to make Charulata again, each and every frame would
> look the same. I have Ray's interview in which he mentions this. (This
> interview is by Shyam Benegal).
>
> Charulata is my favorite Ray film, leaps and bounds over Pather
> Panchali. I think part of the reason Pather Panchali became so famous
> was because it was the first time the Western world paid attention to
> an Indian film maker. And that caused our Indian folks to take greater
> pride it it...
>
> On a related note, let us take a moment to grieve the passing of the
> great character actor, who never got a chance to work with Ray (as far
> as I know) - Amrish Puri.
>
> Amit - thanks much for a wonderful post! I think "a complex Mozartian
> tapestry of images, sounds and ideas organised around Madhabi
> Chakrabarty's luminous performance" is the most wonderful description
> of Charulata I've ever come across!
>
> Regards,
> Mahendra
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:14:16 +0530, Aletha Tavares wrote:
> >
> > profound indeed specially when one is very sue of what one does and has no
> > regrets about doing it! Its like living life without an eraser!
> >
> > >From: Shailesh Phansalkar
> > >Reply-To: India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
> > >To: India-Unleashed digest subscribers
> > >Subject: Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:04:45 -0800
> > >
> > >
> > >Didn't Ray say something to the effect that if he had to make
> > >charulata again, he would make it the same way he did the first time.
> > >
> > >looks like a casual statement, but if you think about it, it is profound.
> > >
> > >-shailesh
> > >
> > >
> > >On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:35 +0000, India-Unleashed group
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > India Unleashed
> > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed
> > > > India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
> > > >
> > > > Today's topics:
> > > >
> > > > * TOI: Pather PAnchali Turns 50 - 1 messages, 1 author
> > > >
> > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/c3f64b73ee4db5ba
> > > >
> > > >
> > >==============================================================================
> > > > TOPIC: TOI: Pather PAnchali Turns 50
> > > >
> > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/c3f64b73ee4db5ba
> > > >
> > >==============================================================================
> > > >
> > > > == 1 of 1 ==
> > > > Date: Tues, Jan 11 2005 12:04 pm
> > > > From: Amit Phansalkar
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Times of India can at times surprise you with something worth
> > >reading.
> > > > Pather Panchali Turns 50, The Leader Article (Jan 08, 2005), is a
> > > > concise look at Satyajit Ray's work, beyond Pather Panchali.
> > > >
> > > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/984092.cms
> > > >
> > > > The author starts with:
> > > >
> > > > "Some works of art acquire such an inflated reputation that they hang
> > > > like an albatross round the artist's neck. That is what happened with
> > > > Pather Panchali . Satyajit Ray's first film became so famous and was
> > > > praised so universally that many people to this day refuse to believe
> > > > that Ray made anything else of comparable merit in his long career. An
> > > > artist may, of course, peak early and then slip permanently into
> > > > mediocrity â€" is that what happened to Ray? "
> > > >
> > > > And answering the question negatively, he goes and gives us a brief
> > > > tour of Ray's illustrious career. An excellent article for those who
> > > > want a guide to Ray that does not read into a book legnth :).
> > > >
> > > > -Amit.
> > > >
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Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest


Yes, he did say that. Specifically, he mentioned that even if he were
given a chance to make Charulata again, each and every frame would
look the same. I have Ray's interview in which he mentions this. (This
interview is by Shyam Benegal).

Charulata is my favorite Ray film, leaps and bounds over Pather
Panchali. I think part of the reason Pather Panchali became so famous
was because it was the first time the Western world paid attention to
an Indian film maker. And that caused our Indian folks to take greater
pride it it...

On a related note, let us take a moment to grieve the passing of the
great character actor, who never got a chance to work with Ray (as far
as I know) - Amrish Puri.

Amit - thanks much for a wonderful post! I think "a complex Mozartian
tapestry of images, sounds and ideas organised around Madhabi
Chakrabarty's luminous performance" is the most wonderful description
of Charulata I've ever come across!

Regards,
Mahendra

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:14:16 +0530, Aletha Tavares wrote:
>
> profound indeed specially when one is very sue of what one does and has no
> regrets about doing it! Its like living life without an eraser!
>
> >From: Shailesh Phansalkar
> >Reply-To: India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
> >To: India-Unleashed digest subscribers
> >Subject: Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:04:45 -0800
> >
> >
> >Didn't Ray say something to the effect that if he had to make
> >charulata again, he would make it the same way he did the first time.
> >
> >looks like a casual statement, but if you think about it, it is profound.
> >
> >-shailesh
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:35 +0000, India-Unleashed group
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > India Unleashed
> > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed
> > > India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
> > >
> > > Today's topics:
> > >
> > > * TOI: Pather PAnchali Turns 50 - 1 messages, 1 author
> > >
> >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/c3f64b73ee4db5ba
> > >
> > >
> >==============================================================================
> > > TOPIC: TOI: Pather PAnchali Turns 50
> > >
> >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed/browse_thread/thread/c3f64b73ee4db5ba
> > >
> >==============================================================================
> > >
> > > == 1 of 1 ==
> > > Date: Tues, Jan 11 2005 12:04 pm
> > > From: Amit Phansalkar
> > >
> > > Yes, Times of India can at times surprise you with something worth
> >reading.
> > > Pather Panchali Turns 50, The Leader Article (Jan 08, 2005), is a
> > > concise look at Satyajit Ray's work, beyond Pather Panchali.
> > >
> > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/984092.cms
> > >
> > > The author starts with:
> > >
> > > "Some works of art acquire such an inflated reputation that they hang
> > > like an albatross round the artist's neck. That is what happened with
> > > Pather Panchali . Satyajit Ray's first film became so famous and was
> > > praised so universally that many people to this day refuse to believe
> > > that Ray made anything else of comparable merit in his long career. An
> > > artist may, of course, peak early and then slip permanently into
> > > mediocrity â€" is that what happened to Ray? "
> > >
> > > And answering the question negatively, he goes and gives us a brief
> > > tour of Ray's illustrious career. An excellent article for those who
> > > want a guide to Ray that does not read into a book legnth :).
> > >
> > > -Amit.
> > >
> > >
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Thursday, January 13, 2005

Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest


profound indeed specially when one is very sue of what one does and has no
regrets about doing it! Its like living life without an eraser!

>From: Shailesh Phansalkar
>Reply-To: India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
>To: India-Unleashed digest subscribers
>Subject: Re: 1 new message in 1 topic - digest
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:04:45 -0800
>
>
>Didn't Ray say something to the effect that if he had to make
>charulata again, he would make it the same way he did the first time.
>
>looks like a casual statement, but if you think about it, it is profound.
>
>-shailesh
>
>
>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:35 +0000, India-Unleashed group
> wrote:
> >
> > India Unleashed
> > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/India-Unleashed
> > India-Unleashed@googlegroups.com
> >
> > Today's topics:
> >
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> > Date: Tues, Jan 11 2005 12:04 pm
> > From: Amit Phansalkar
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> > Yes, Times of India can at times surprise you with something worth
>reading.
> > Pather Panchali Turns 50, The Leader Article (Jan 08, 2005), is a
> > concise look at Satyajit Ray's work, beyond Pather Panchali.
> >
> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/984092.cms
> >
> > The author starts with:
> >
> > "Some works of art acquire such an inflated reputation that they hang
> > like an albatross round the artist's neck. That is what happened with
> > Pather Panchali . Satyajit Ray's first film became so famous and was
> > praised so universally that many people to this day refuse to believe
> > that Ray made anything else of comparable merit in his long career. An
> > artist may, of course, peak early and then slip permanently into
> > mediocrity â€" is that what happened to Ray? "
> >
> > And answering the question negatively, he goes and gives us a brief
> > tour of Ray's illustrious career. An excellent article for those who
> > want a guide to Ray that does not read into a book legnth :).
> >
> > -Amit.
> >
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TOI: Pather PAnchali Turns 50


Yes, Times of India can at times surprise you with something worth reading.
Pather Panchali Turns 50, The Leader Article (Jan 08, 2005), is a
concise look at Satyajit Ray's work, beyond Pather Panchali.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/984092.cms

The author starts with:

"Some works of art acquire such an inflated reputation that they hang
like an albatross round the artist's neck. That is what happened with
Pather Panchali . Satyajit Ray's first film became so famous and was
praised so universally that many people to this day refuse to believe
that Ray made anything else of comparable merit in his long career. An
artist may, of course, peak early and then slip permanently into
mediocrity — is that what happened to Ray? "

And answering the question negatively, he goes and gives us a brief
tour of Ray's illustrious career. An excellent article for those who
want a guide to Ray that does not read into a book legnth :).

-Amit.

Monday, January 03, 2005

The M.S. phenomenon


A tribute to M.S. Subbulakshmi -- a long and in depth article about
her life, from Frontline (http://www.frontlineonnet.com), the Hindu
Group publication. Frontline is to India Today what The Hindu is to
TOI. You could accuse them of intellectual biases, but never of
compromising content. The only main-stream Indian magazine that can
still claim that, IMO.

Here is the link:
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2126/stories/20041231006400900.htm

-Amit

Wishes, Apologies and Sermons


Another year, and I'm trying to revive this group as part of my
umpteenth new year's resolutions. So, let me start with saying happy
new year to all of you. And then let me go on on a apology spree.

First, to all those new-members, whose subscription requests were left
stranded, because all of us moderators were sleeping on the job. The
good news is, you didn't miss anything at all.

That brings me to my second apology and first sermon. Sorry guys,
(again) especially those who have joined this list with the hope that
it would be interesting. The truth is, this list is as good as dead
right now. I had intentionally kept the list without any agenda as
such, trying to see how it evolves. It evolved into an eerie silence.
:) May be that is what people want, but I have this habit of
disturbing it once in a while. I'll be glad if more of you pick it up.

And now sermon number two for the new members: share your thoughts,
your interesting reads, or blogs or whatever. We don't have any
problems if you want to be just the listeners around here. But it
would be more meaningful list if you actually speak up your mind (even
if to tell me to shut up or get lost or whatever).

So with the hope that the new year will revive this list, I'll sign
off. I promise to do my own bit to that end.

regards,
Amit.